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what dan should you be able to open your own school? cause wayyy back when i was like 10 or 11 a back belt from my last school opened her own school with her bo and they were only 1st degrees and they both tested with me for our black belts. and some people that are like 2nd or 3rd idk its kinda weird cause im so close to 2nd degree and it seams like i will always be a student i dont see how like really young people that or 1st-3rd are already opening a school, i cant ever see myself as a master because i always seam to be learning and i wouldent feel right if someone was calling me a master because i would feel bad cause people that are like 6-7 dans are in the same catagory some times and i just wouldent feel good enough to be called a master ... i gess this is like when you are 17 and you go to a 1st grade class and some calles you miss or something and it just dosent feel like me you know? ok back on topic so what dan should you open your owen school?
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It sort of depends on how traditional you are and what connection, if any you have to a federation. If you are a Kukkiwon school, you can't sign dan certificates until fourth degree. In fact, fourth is about when people are willing to accord one the honorific of master.
A blackbelt is merely a symbol of having learned the basics, and a bodan isn't even first dan, so there are only a few ways that a first dan or nominal geub practitioner can open their own school. Obviously, funding is required, but since your question regards dan rank, I'll address it within that context.
The first is if they do so without any federation affiliation and then simply give themselves whatever rank they feel like, which is sadly not all that uncommon.
The second is simply being a blackbelt or bodan who teaches without any emphasis on rank, such as doing a cardio class or a summer workshop, or just teaching private students. Such a teacher may not have a belt system.
The last way (and in this scenario, the best way) is to open under another grandmaster, in which case the grandmaster or a 4th dan master who teaches for him/her would have to sign all dan certificates.
Certainly, there are some excellent first dan and bodan level practitioners who could probably teach the basics very capably to a beginning student. But with the easy availability of graded and certified dojangs, I don't see any reason why anyone would want to pay the fees to someone who has no credentials.
And no, I do not consider competition trophies to be credentials for teaching a martial art. A very athletic person with perhaps a boxing background may win in tournaments because they are very physically conditioned and very fast, but may not know the finer details of the martial art. I don't mean to diminish those who compete, but competition is merely one facet of taekwondo, and self defense does not go hand in hand with competition. There are lots of good ring fighters who's ring skills are unrealistic in a self defense situation, and a lot of people go to a martial arts studio specifically to learn to defend themselves.
Just some thoughts.
Daniel
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| POSTED BY: Danni on 03/06/2008 23:17:29 |
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I don't think it matters what dan you are when you start a school as long as you have the appropriate channels to get your kids certificates.
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| POSTED BY: doughboy on 03/06/2008 23:25:33 |
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Danni wrote:
I don't think it matters what dan you are when you start a school as long as you have the appropriate channels to get your kids certificates.
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i don't know about ITF, but for kukkiwon, you have to be 4th dan to be able to get paperworks done. of course, there are people who open up school and just go through their masters/grandmasters to sign the paper.
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| POSTED BY: Danni on 03/06/2008 23:28:38 |
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doughboy wrote:
[of course, there are people who open up school and just go through their masters/grandmasters to sign the paper.
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yeah, that's what I meant
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| POSTED BY: Gizmo on 03/07/2008 00:48:26 |
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In my country, the prerequisite for opening a martial arts school/club is 1st Kup minimum and a passed national instructor's course. I know some good instructors who are only 1st Kups or 1st Dans. 15 years ago the prerequisite was 4th Kup as there were not many higher grades.
On the other hand, getting to 1st Dan here is usually at least 5-6 years if a person is gifted and trains intensively. Kup gradings in most clubs are held twice a year. One of my students will be tested for her 1st Dan for the first time after almost 9 years of training, and she is not a slow learner, definitely.
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| POSTED BY: sabumnim on 03/07/2008 17:01:33 |
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It can be opened when you are a 3rd dan, but you need a support of a Grand Master... If you are 4th dan it's better to open a school, of course the higher the rank the better.
If you are lower rank without the support of a master you don't have much credibility in terms of your experience, credentials and etc. Without the master, you have no one that can vouch for you for that credibility.
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| POSTED BY: Yokixx on 03/12/2008 23:45:34 |
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I think 4th but I know that there are some 3rd Dans who have opened their school.
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| POSTED BY: Yudanja on 03/12/2008 23:57:30 |
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I think it depends on who the person is opening up a school. :) Personally I agree with the ITF in the fact that a Master Instructor is anyone who is 7th Dan or higher. To call someone a Master at 4th,5th,6th Dan just waters down the title even more. I am a 5th Dan and certainly no master. I still have plenty to learn. |
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| POSTED BY: IcemanSK on 03/13/2008 20:09:40 |
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I think it matters less what dan rank you are as long as you are under a master or GM yourself. As Doughboy & Danni have said, you need to be able to get certificates for your students. At 4th Dan KKW, you can do it yourself. Bellow that, you need assistance from a "higher up."
Training under a higher rank is is very important if you're under 4th Dan. Accountability, challenge & connection are very important, IMO.
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