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POSTED BY: Hannigan on 10/08/2008 10:05:21


The thing I always found interesting was the number of diffrent styles of forms we learn in TKD depending on your school or which organization you belong to. The school I train in is part of WTF and we learn Kibon 1 at white belt then follow Taeguek and Palgwe until Black belt.

Actually I will take that back. 

Starting at yellow belt you learn both Taeguek/Palgwe Il Jang and you continue with both until you reach Red Belt Yellow tip/2nd degree red belt. 

At the second red belt you learn Taeguek Pal Jang, and at red belt/black tip you learn Palgwe Pal Jang. 

I am just wondering how other WTF schools learn forms as well as ITF and so forth. 







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POSTED BY: Baby_Huey on 10/08/2008 10:16:53


Jung's TKD: this is what we have to know for each test form wise, we have different board breaks and sparring to learn as well.

White: Chon-Ji, Palgwe 1

Yellow: Dan-gun, Palgwe 2

Orange: Do-San, Plagwe 3

Low Green: Won-Hyo

High Green: Palgwe 4

Low Blue: Yul-Gok

High Blue: Palgew 5

Low Brown: Chung-gun

Middle Brown: Palgew 6

High Brown: Toi-Gye

Low Red: Palgwe 7

Middle Red: Hwarang

High Red: Chung Mu

Temp. Black: Kroyo and Palgwe 8





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POSTED BY: latinorocklee on 10/08/2008 18:59:31


depending on what school you go to and what that school wants to teach you the cae may be that they teach you their own forms then move on to teaguk forms(sorry for spelling).





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POSTED BY: Hannigan on 10/08/2008 22:51:21



latinorocklee wrote:

depending on what school you go to and what that school wants to teach you the cae may be that they teach you their own forms then move on to teaguk forms(sorry for spelling).

Tha is actually the question I posted. I am wondering what forms people on here do, and which organization they are with.


Baby Huey

Thanks for sharing your schools forms. IT looks like our schools share atleast the palgwe froms with each other.

White Belt Kibon 1

Yellow belt Taeguek/Palgwe Il Jang

Yellow Belt/Green Tip Taeguek/Palgwe EE Jang

Green Belt Taeguek/Palgwe Sam Jang (My fav forms.)

Green Belt Blue Tip Taeguek/Palgwe Sa Jang (My worse forms)

Blue Belt Taeguek/Palgwe O Jang

Blue Belt Red Tip Taeguek/Palgwe Yuk Jang

Red Belt Taeguek/Palgwe Chil Jang

Red Belt Yellow Tip Taeguek Pal Jang

Red Belt Black Tip Palgwe Pal Jang

We do follow the WTF reguired black belt forms, but at the moment I can not think of each of thier name.


From what I understand a fair number of WTF schools choice other Taeguek or Palgwe but I love the fact that my school does both.  If I ever need to move out of state having both lines will make it a little easier to transition into another WTF school.  True not all of the schools do forms exactly the same but most are close enough. 

AT my school our forms are close to the one in "Offical Taekwondo Training Manual" a book writen by Soon Man Lee.  We do have a couple small differances, however for those of us how have the book we just make the corrections in the margis pages of those forms.  Actually this book is one that many of us have recommanded to the newer students when they start and in class it is not uncommon for a couple of us to have the book in our bags with the rest of our gear.






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POSTED BY: Pill_Sung on 10/08/2008 23:25:47


At Chang Lee's National Tae Kwon Do we need to know these poomse for each test. We are a WTF school.

White Belt: Chon-Ji

Yellow belt: Pal-gwe Il Jang

Orange Belt: Pal-gwe EE Jang

Green Belt: Pal-gwe Sam Jang

 Purple Belt: Pal-gwe Sa Jang

Light Blue: Pal-gwe Oh Jang

Dark Blue: Pal-gwe Yook Jang

Brown Belt: Pal-gwe Chil Jang

Red Belt: Pal-gwe Pal Jang

Deputy Belt: No new form, but must know all the old forms.

Black Belt: Tae-guek 1 through 8

 





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POSTED BY: Baby_Huey on 10/09/2008 08:04:53



Hannigan wrote:

Baby Huey

Thanks for sharing your schools forms. IT looks like our schools share atleast the palgwe froms with each other

My Grandmaster, Woo Jin Jung, believes that there should be unity between ITF and WTF so that is why we learn both sets, as he puts it "We are not ITF. We are not WTF. We are Tae Kwon Do."  During the last tourney, I met some black belts that are learning Taguek forms on their own just so they know it.  I wouldn't mind learning them myself but I don't know anyone that knows them that is in my area.  I'd much rather learn from a person and use a book as a reference, instead of just learning from a book.





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POSTED BY: Hannigan on 10/09/2008 08:54:36



Baby_Huey wrote:


Hannigan wrote:

Baby Huey

Thanks for sharing your schools forms. IT looks like our schools share atleast the palgwe froms with each other

My Grandmaster, Woo Jin Jung, believes that there should be unity between ITF and WTF so that is why we learn both sets, as he puts it "We are not ITF. We are not WTF. We are Tae Kwon Do." During the last tourney, I met some black belts that are learning Taguek forms on their own just so they know it. I wouldn't mind learning them myself but I don't know anyone that knows them that is in my area. I'd much rather learn from a person and use a book as a reference, instead of just learning from a book.

Unless TKD times is really off thier rocker there has been a lot of talk about between WTF and ITF about finally becoming one.  I am hopeful that Taekwondo will become Taekwondo again.  I think the organizations just need to work togather, recognize atleast 1 of 2 sets of color belt forms so it would be easier for use to trasfer from one to the other. It would also be good to come up with one set of sparring rules as well.

The one thing I really like about Taekwondo is as long as I go to a WTF Taekwondo school my rank will be honored. It will be nice when the organizations come togather because all I would need to do is find a Taekwondo school.  No not many other styles offer this.  I ended up with high ranks in 2 styles before TKD because I moved and the schools that offered the same exact style would not even watch me practice to see where I should start I just started off with a white belt, so I figured if I was going to start as a beganner I may as well learn a diffrent style. 

After unity has been truly established we will need to round up all the Grand Masters and have them come up with one way of doing each form instead of the many ways of doing Palgwe Sam Jang that schools have to offer, but I think it would actually be easier to get ITF and WTF togather first then go for the small stuff later.







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POSTED BY: Baby_Huey on 10/09/2008 09:03:45



Hannigan wrote:


Unless TKD times is really off thier rocker there has been a lot of talk about between WTF and ITF about finally becoming one. I am hopeful that Taekwondo will become Taekwondo again. I think the organizations just need to work togather, recognize atleast 1 of 2 sets of color belt forms so it would be easier for use to trasfer from one to the other. It would also be good to come up with one set of sparring rules as well.

The one thing I really like about Taekwondo is as long as I go to a WTF Taekwondo school my rank will be honored. It will be nice when the organizations come togather because all I would need to do is find a Taekwondo school. No not many other styles offer this. I ended up with high ranks in 2 styles before TKD because I moved and the schools that offered the same exact style would not even watch me practice to see where I should start I just started off with a white belt, so I figured if I was going to start as a beganner I may as well learn a diffrent style.

After unity has been truly established we will need to round up all the Grand Masters and have them come up with one way of doing each form instead of the many ways of doing Palgwe Sam Jang that schools have to offer, but I think it would actually be easier to get ITF and WTF togather first then go for the small stuff later.



I couldn't agree with you more.  There have been some advances but there is still a lot of leg work ahead before we can say that ITF and WTF are unified.  

P.S. GM Jung is the Publisher of Tae Kwon Do Times, so he is has been on top of the issue.





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POSTED BY: skyline81 on 10/09/2008 11:04:59


Our system:

White Belt: Kibon (probably different at our school than others)
Orange Belt: Palgwe Il Jang
Yellow Belt: Palgwe Ee Jang
Green Belt: Palgwe Sam Jang
Purple Belt: Palgwe Sa Jang
Blue Belt: Palgwe Oh Jang
Red Belt: Palgwe Yuk Jang
Bo Dan: Palgwe Chil Jang
Bo Dan Stripe: Palgwe Pal Jang


Black Belt (we follow a stripe system based on the colors of the previous belts). 1st Dan is held for at least 3 years at our school. During which, we start to catch up on Chang Hon forms, as well as learn Koryo


1st Dan Chang Hon Forms: Chon Ji to Choong Moo
1st Dan Kukkiwon Forms: Koryo





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POSTED BY: TKDHermit on 10/09/2008 13:08:08


10th Geup to 1st Geup, I'll just list as [Color][Grade] as that's how it's usually referred to here in Singapore, under the Singapore Taekwondo Federation [all clubs/schools affiliated to the STF are all WTF/Kukkiwon, and I'm under one of the clubs Acme Taekwondo]. These are the forms we need to do at each grade.

White 10 - Kibon Dongjak -.- basically it's just some form created by the STF I think. They call it 'basic movements'.

White 9 - Kibon Taegeuk -.- another form created by the STF I believe, at least that's what it's said at a particular web last time but can't find it now. They call it 'basic taegeuk'

Yellow 8 - Taegeuk Il Jang

Yellow 7 - Taegeuk Ee Jang

Green 6 - Taegeuk Sam Jang

Green 5 - Taegeuk Sa Jang

Blue 4 - Taegeuk O Jang

Blue 3 - Taegeuk Yuk Jang

*Red/Brown 2 - Taegeuk Chil Jang + 1 Taegeuk form randomly picked from Il Jang to Yuk Jang by examiner[s]

*Red/Brown 1 - Taegeuk Pal Jang + 1 Taegeuk form randomly picked from Il Jang to Chil Jang by examiners[s]

Additional info: For the 'odd number geup grades', a stripe of the colour of the next grade, by means of duct tape, is sticked around the edges of the belts.

*In Singapore it's fine to be called a red belt or a brown belt, although brown is the more common term, because the belt we use for 2nd and 1st Geup is maroon in colour. Even the public announcement for local tournaments don't have a unified term for it, some put red some put brown.

1st Dan - Koryo + 2 Taegeuk forms from Il Jang to Pal Jang randomly picked by examiner[s]

2nd Dan - Keumgang + Koryo + 2 Taegeuk forms from Il Jang to Pal Jang randomly picked by examiner[s]

3rd Dan - Taebaek + Keumgang + Koryo + 2 Taegeuk forms from Il Jang to Pal Jang randomly picked by examiner[s]

4th Dan - Pyongwon + Taebaek + Keumgang + Koryo + 2 Taegeuk forms from Il Jang to Pal Jang randomly picked by examiner[s]

5th Dan - Sipjin + Pyongwon + Taebaek + Keumgang + Koryo + 2 Taegeuk forms from Il Jang to Pal Jang randomly picked by examiner[s]

6th Dan to 9th Dan - unable to be tested in Singapore, probably at the Kukkiwon, not sure.**

STF certificates are not automatically Kukkiwon-registered, one has to do the paperwork for Kukkiwon conversion/registration, but it appears that Kukkiwon certification is not needed for regional competitions like SEA Games and Asian Cities Gold Cup.**

Basically only the Taegeuks need to be memorized for gradings, unless the individual intends to coach, which is a different story, disjoint from grading. Whether an individual decides to coach, or is a recognized coach, 10th and 9th Geup forms are not required for gradings after the white belt phase. Personally I can't remember the last part of W9's form because it's been 8 years since I did that.

The STF is mostly, or completely, sport-oriented, and therefore the syllabus is designed towards the competitive side [no extra forms, because the Kukkiwon is using the Taegeuk set now, I guess].





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