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POSTED BY: Baby_Huey on 09/26/2008 08:03:23



Old_Guy wrote:


CelticTiger wrote:


Old_Guy wrote:
The only weapons taught will be escrima and bo (practical weapons and the only ones I know well enough to teach)

I'm still debating regarding weapons. I'd be inclined to teach kumdo as its own separate curriculum, but at the same time a lot of taekwondo students want to learn a weapon, particularly sword.

Daniel

I love to see weapons demonstrated, but when it comes to practicality it's hard to beat sticks. I'm a sword fan myself, love the chinese broadsword and the Tai Chi sword. The great thing about Gumdo is that you can spar with it. IMHO it should be a seperate class. Interesting thread!!!

There are some people in my school's chain that teach some weapons but it's not currently happening at my school's location. I wouldn't mind learning a couple of weapons (escrima, bo, sai, and chucks) Sai would be my top choice but that was more because I was always fasicnated but the Ralphael from Ninja Turtules. Another student that use to be my college professor, we have some interesting discussions, she and I have both have different backgrounds, she studied several other arts and I being a former wrestler, back on topic she once said, "weapon can be useful but it's something that can be taken away and you should focus on your techinques before you even think about weapons" which has helped me focus more on what I'm doing and turn down the desire to want to learn weapons right away. (Maybe I might seek training after balck belt).





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POSTED BY: CelticTiger on 09/26/2008 08:42:29



Baby_Huey wrote:

This stuff was done before the school I train at was opened (we are part of chain but not a mcdojang) and I can't answer what other schools in the system charge, my fees were increasded, testing is still the same.  I know that belt test the testing fee is higher and tradition is that you go to the main school to be tested by Grandmaster Woo Jin Jung.  I think the belts look cool but I would be just as proud to have the same belt for a year or so.  The changes were more for the little kids.

Nothing inherently wrong with a chain school.  Our school became a chain school last summer when we opened a second location.  I guess if you think about it, all KKW schools are a loose chain in a general sort of way.  Chain school or McDojo, if the instruction is good, then that is all that counts.  I have seen some very fine instructors in some of the most cheesy McDojo style schools (seen some pretty horrid ones too).

Daniel





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POSTED BY: Old_Guy on 09/26/2008 15:07:39



Baby_Huey wrote:


Old_Guy wrote:


CelticTiger wrote:


Old_Guy wrote:
The only weapons taught will be escrima and bo (practical weapons and the only ones I know well enough to teach)

I'm still debating regarding weapons. I'd be inclined to teach kumdo as its own separate curriculum, but at the same time a lot of taekwondo students want to learn a weapon, particularly sword.

Daniel

I love to see weapons demonstrated, but when it comes to practicality it's hard to beat sticks. I'm a sword fan myself, love the chinese broadsword and the Tai Chi sword. The great thing about Gumdo is that you can spar with it. IMHO it should be a seperate class. Interesting thread!!!

There are some people in my school's chain that teach some weapons but it's not currently happening at my school's location. I wouldn't mind learning a couple of weapons (escrima, bo, sai, and chucks) Sai would be my top choice but that was more because I was always fasicnated but the Ralphael from Ninja Turtules. Another student that use to be my college professor, we have some interesting discussions, she and I have both have different backgrounds, she studied several other arts and I being a former wrestler, back on topic she once said, "weapon can be useful but it's something that can be taken away and you should focus on your techinques before you even think about weapons" which has helped me focus more on what I'm doing and turn down the desire to want to learn weapons right away. (Maybe I might seek training after balck belt).

In escrima the hardest thing for me was learning when to drop the stick.  As you engage (especially to the inside) if your opponent is skilled enough he may be able to trap the weapon and if he does there is a time when the stick becomes more of a hinderence than an asset so you have to learn when to drop the stick, giving it up to the guy, and go hand to hand. 

But I her thinking is flawed, in the times that we live in learning weapons training is 99% for demo I can honestly say that short of a pistol, pepper spray, or taser like device, I personally don't know of anyone training in weapons for self defense.  You don't see guys walking down the street with nunchuks, or a sword, or tonfas, or even escrima sticks.  As a matter of fact if a cop pulls you over and your on you way to class and your weapon of choice is within reach in the car they can arrest you carrying that weapon.  So she is right about work your hand to hand for defense but wrong abut even thinking that weapons training is about self defense.  It is, what it is, cool to be proficient and flash with sticks and blades in the foot steps of our martial arts forefathers 

All that being said, I always thought that in a combative situation I was more likely to find something resembling a stick than anything else.





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POSTED BY: Baby_Huey on 09/26/2008 15:22:55



Old_Guy wrote:


Baby_Huey wrote:


Old_Guy wrote:


CelticTiger wrote:


Old_Guy wrote:
The only weapons taught will be escrima and bo (practical weapons and the only ones I know well enough to teach)

I'm still debating regarding weapons. I'd be inclined to teach kumdo as its own separate curriculum, but at the same time a lot of taekwondo students want to learn a weapon, particularly sword.

Daniel

I love to see weapons demonstrated, but when it comes to practicality it's hard to beat sticks. I'm a sword fan myself, love the chinese broadsword and the Tai Chi sword. The great thing about Gumdo is that you can spar with it. IMHO it should be a seperate class. Interesting thread!!!

There are some people in my school's chain that teach some weapons but it's not currently happening at my school's location. I wouldn't mind learning a couple of weapons (escrima, bo, sai, and chucks) Sai would be my top choice but that was more because I was always fasicnated but the Ralphael from Ninja Turtules. Another student that use to be my college professor, we have some interesting discussions, she and I have both have different backgrounds, she studied several other arts and I being a former wrestler, back on topic she once said, "weapon can be useful but it's something that can be taken away and you should focus on your techinques before you even think about weapons" which has helped me focus more on what I'm doing and turn down the desire to want to learn weapons right away. (Maybe I might seek training after balck belt).

In escrima the hardest thing for me was learning when to drop the stick. As you engage (especially to the inside) if your opponent is skilled enough he may be able to trap the weapon and if he does there is a time when the stick becomes more of a hinderence than an asset so you have to learn when to drop the stick, giving it up to the guy, and go hand to hand.

But I her thinking is flawed, in the times that we live in learning weapons training is 99% for demo I can honestly say that short of a pistol, pepper spray, or taser like device, I personally don't know of anyone training in weapons for self defense. You don't see guys walking down the street with nunchuks, or a sword, or tonfas, or even escrima sticks. As a matter of fact if a cop pulls you over and your on you way to class and your weapon of choice is within reach in the car they can arrest you carrying that weapon. So she is right about work your hand to hand for defense but wrong abut even thinking that weapons training is about self defense. It is, what it is, cool to be proficient and flash with sticks and blades in the foot steps of our martial arts forefathers

All that being said, I always thought that in a combative situation I was more likely to find something resembling a stick than anything else.

O_G, I don't think she talking strictly MA weapons, but any weapon. What took away from her statement is that you can't rely on a weapon for everything.  Cops don't, around me they have guns, tasers, peper spray, batons because they know they could lose some of those things.  Some people who know how to use gun thinks they are untouchable but once they don't have that firepower they are useless.  I agree with what you are saying all the MA weapons we can learn is more for show then anything else.





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POSTED BY: Old_Guy on 09/26/2008 16:10:10


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O_G, I don't think she talking strictly MA weapons, but any weapon. What took away from her statement is that you can't rely on a weapon for everything.  Cops don't, around me they have guns, tasers, peper spray, batons because they know they could lose some of those things.  Some people who know how to use gun thinks they are untouchable but once they don't have that firepower they are useless.  I agree with what you are saying all the MA weapons we can learn is more for show then anything else.

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I guess I've been pretty sheltered I hadn't even considered that.  Living in and around base in countries where guns are outlawed and in general living the family life not out there late at night in places where stuff happens I haven't needed to concern myself with it.  Past having to subdue a user who just lost 5 hrs worth of work because of a system crash, we live in a pretty safe environment.  Good call.





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