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Well you know who i am thats why I have a web page on tkdspace. so i wont repost my self. So any way. So i got to ask. what if Olympic tae kwon do is no more? What will happen to all the sport only schools. what will happen? will we still have state champs and nationals? just think. what a change! i cant walk around with out bumping into the notion that tae kwon do is a martial art turn sport. bull crap not in my gym and my buddies Gym. what will happen to the Lopez all sport gym? what a impact on tae kwon do as a whole. many name it sport but a nonOlympic sport for the future.
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firemanandxmarine wrote:
So i got to ask. what if Olympic tae kwon do is no more? What will happen to all the sport only schools. what will happen? will we still have state champs and nationals? just think. what a change! i cant walk around with out bumping into the notion that tae kwon do is a martial art turn sport. bull crap not in my gym and my buddies Gym. what will happen to the Lopez all sport gym? what a impact on tae kwon do as a whole. many name it sport but a nonOlympic sport for the future.
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IMO, I think there wouldn't be much of change, if it's taken out of the Olympics then it is taken out but there are plenty of tournyes around that have the same type of sparring. If the merger of ITF and WTF ever happens then we will see major changes, if it's knocked out of the summer games, it's just one event.
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firemanandxmarine wrote:
So i got to ask. what if Olympic tae kwon do is no more? What will happen to all the sport only schools. what will happen? will we still have state champs and nationals? just think. what a change! i cant walk around with out bumping into the notion that tae kwon do is a martial art turn sport. bull crap not in my gym and my buddies Gym. what will happen to the Lopez all sport gym? what a impact on tae kwon do as a whole. many name it sport but a nonOlympic sport for the future.
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IMO, I think there wouldn't be much of change, if it's taken out of the Olympics then it is taken out but there are plenty of tournyes around that have the same type of sparring. If the merger of ITF and WTF ever happens then we will see major changes, if it's knocked out of the summer games, it's just one event.
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| POSTED BY: doughboy on 09/03/2008 17:34:49 |
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olympic certainly boosted popularity of WTF, but WTF was doing fine on its own before it became an olympic sport. maybe it'll be less popular, but i don't think it would make much difference. WTF tkd has its own attraction to the style like judo. those who do judo like judo for not using strikes, and those who like WTF will continue to like WTF for using just kicks. one difference i can see is that there will be less pushy parents with kids, who don't have any athletic talent what so ever, that blame instructors for their kids not getting into nationals...
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| POSTED BY: Old_Guy on 09/04/2008 01:25:40 |
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What is the big deal about TKD being a sport? MMA competitions are a sport. Boxing is a sport. Wrestling is a sport. BJJ is a sport. Judo is a sport. Muay Thai is a sport. Karate competitions are sport. Any physical competition inside of a defined rule set is a sport. You got rules, judges, referee's, then you have a sport. People talk about it like it is something to be ashamed of. TKD is a martial art but its competitions like all physical competitions with a rule set are sport. Thats not meant to be demeaning or offensive it's just the way that it is.
As far as TKD not being in the Olympics it may mean the end of the world to someone as I'm sure the other 14 sports that have been cut since 1900 to someone were a big deal. Baseball and softball (this was their last year), rugby, golf, lacrosse, etc have all survived and will probably continue to survive. Numerous martial arts that have a competitive (sport side) have survived having never been in the Olympics to include, Karate, Wushu, Muay Thai, Hapkido, and Taekyon.
So train the way that you intend to defend yourself or train the way that you intend to compete or both.
I always wondered what it was about folks training for strictly self defense hated about people who train to only compete but it is never the other way around.
Kind of like there are people who don't have tattoos that find people that have them disgusting but I never heard of it the other way around.
My .02 and worth every bit of it.
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Old_Guy wrote:
What is the big deal about TKD being a sport? MMA competitions are a sport. Boxing is a sport. Wrestling is a sport. BJJ is a sport. Judo is a sport. Muay Thai is a sport. Karate competitions are sport. Any physical competition inside of a defined rule set is a sport. You got rules, judges, referee's, then you have a sport. People talk about it like it is something to be ashamed of. TKD is a martial art but its competitions like all physical competitions with a rule set are sport. Thats not meant to be demeaning or offensive it's just the way that it is.
As far as TKD not being in the Olympics it may mean the end of the world to someone as I'm sure the other 14 sports that have been cut since 1900 to someone were a big deal. Baseball and softball (this was their last year), rugby, golf, lacrosse, etc have all survived and will probably continue to survive. Numerous martial arts that have a competitive (sport side) have survived having never been in the Olympics to include, Karate, Wushu, Muay Thai, Hapkido, and Taekyon.
So train the way that you intend to defend yourself or train the way that you intend to compete or both.
I always wondered what it was about folks training for strictly self defense hated about people who train to only compete but it is never the other way around.
Kind of like there are people who don't have tattoos that find people that have them disgusting but I never heard of it the other way around.
My .02 and worth every bit of it.
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Well for the record, i do both sport and traditional. I don't hate on anything but the false principle that sports is a martial art. The mind set- The training-the testing. I don't believe in sports as much as i believe in martial arts. Philosophy is key. you know, a martial art is forever with life changing. a sport is just a game. Ive trained in schools where all they did was sport tae kwon do. No self defense no honor. just kick that bag. martial arts is more then kicking and punching. we can have sport; im cool with it, but its a lot behind the vial that goes on in a martial art. there is a difference. most people don't know. Sport has no weapons training, no meditation. i did not see one pattern in the Olympics. i did not see any cool kicks that i see in my dojang. i heard a bunch of celebrating when they did not even get a point. This is not some 18 year old wht belt or some old cat that cant kick so i teach blocks and punches with pressure points along with a lil sweep and end it wit a pounch. i am a full able bodied man that has ran points turrnys and had multiple gold medals around my neck. sat on scoring chairs rose the hand of the victor. this is not some biased rant. i want my sons to be more than a sport.
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| POSTED BY: Old_Guy on 09/04/2008 14:55:46 |
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firemanandxmarine wrote:
you know, a martial art is forever with life changing. a sport is just a game.
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There's the difference. But TKD or any martial art regardless of whether you train stictly for combat or for putting your foot on the target is life altering if you allow it to be. If all it is to you is putting your foot on the target faster than anyone else then thats all it will ever be. If you are training for the sole purpose self defense then you may as well be studying Krav Maga. TKD doesn't have the mystic background that some of the arts like Wushu or Ninjitsu does, but we do have the five tenets. Which we all know are the same things our parents tried to teach us. Eric Suan (Force of One) taught it all and that is where we started. Even though we trained the sport side it was done so for maximum speed and impact. Self defense was also a major part of the program. We also trained weapons but it was a class outside the class. His and his family embodied the spirit of TKD they truly knew and taught what meant to be a Tae Kwon Doist. It wasn't until I got to Korea that I found people regarding TKD more like boxing. Definately usable for self defense but in reality it was about foot on the hogu. In Daegu, Master Song recited the tenets each and every class but didn't live them. GM Kim has never mentioned them but lives them and teaches them through his actions. As a mentor he's inspiring and I feel like he'd be just as inspiring if he was fishing, working in his garden, or just playing chess in Pagoda Park. Martial art, TKD definately fits the bill. As a sport TKD has been reduced to the roundhouse followed by the clinch, the back kick and apparently calling your own point. Those fancy kicks we learn won't score as often against an opponent of equal speed and skill. I prefer to watch Taekyon competitions, the kicks are amazing, checkout some of clips on you tube. As far as TKD being a life altering experience it is if you allow it to be and IMHO it all starts with the willingness to be open to change and the instructor.
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Old_Guy wrote:
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firemanandxmarine wrote:
you know, a martial art is forever with life changing. a sport is just a game.
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There's the difference. But TKD or any martial art regardless of whether you train stictly for combat or for putting your foot on the target is life altering if you allow it to be. If all it is to you is putting your foot on the target faster than anyone else then thats all it will ever be. If you are training for the sole purpose self defense then you may as well be studying Krav Maga. TKD doesn't have the mystic background that some of the arts like Wushu or Ninjitsu does, but we do have the five tenets. Which we all know are the same things our parents tried to teach us. Eric Suan (Force of One) taught it all and that is where we started. Even though we trained the sport side it was done so for maximum speed and impact. Self defense was also a major part of the program. We also trained weapons but it was a class outside the class. His and his family embodied the spirit of TKD they truly knew and taught what meant to be a Tae Kwon Doist. It wasn't until I got to Korea that I found people regarding TKD more like boxing. Definately usable for self defense but in reality it was about foot on the hogu. In Daegu, Master Song recited the tenets each and every class but didn't live them. GM Kim has never mentioned them but lives them and teaches them through his actions. As a mentor he's inspiring and I feel like he'd be just as inspiring if he was fishing, working in his garden, or just playing chess in Pagoda Park. Martial art, TKD definately fits the bill. As a sport TKD has been reduced to the roundhouse followed by the clinch, the back kick and apparently calling your own point. Those fancy kicks we learn won't score as often against an opponent of equal speed and skill. I prefer to watch Taekyon competitions, the kicks are amazing, checkout some of clips on you tube. As far as TKD being a life altering experience it is if you allow it to be and IMHO it all starts with the willingness to be open to change and the instructor.
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thants so true.
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firemanandxmarine wrote:
Well you know who i am thats why I have a web page on tkdspace. so i wont repost my self. So any way. So i got to ask. what if Olympic tae kwon do is no more? What will happen to all the sport only schools. what will happen? will we still have state champs and nationals? just think. what a change! i cant walk around with out bumping into the notion that tae kwon do is a martial art turn sport. bull crap not in my gym and my buddies Gym. what will happen to the Lopez all sport gym? what a impact on tae kwon do as a whole. many name it sport but a nonOlympic sport for the future.
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I don't see WTF sport TKD going away if it is nixed from the Olympics. The sport only schools would still chug along as they always have, simply focusing on the same competitions outside of the Olympics that they always have. The only real change will be in the literature, as they won't be able to say that taekwondo is an Olympic sport. Daniel
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they are already having problems with taekwondo because its not bringing enough money in from the olympics .. thats why it was not on tv this year because it didn't have enough sponsors... i would have thought that korea(Samsung) would be the one to sponsor them like they did some years back but no ... they didn't get enough money going into it.. and its like when karate was back in the day .... its just slowly fading ... but i dont think if it is or is not in the olympics will make any difference cause look at karate ...lol
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