RussianAngel1356 wrote: somehow when i try to do a split (side split) i go further nd almost have it... but when it comes to a machine i'm nowhere near where i'm on my own.. im confused?? when im on the split machine my knees hurt but when i do it on my own my thighs hurt.. im retarded.. lmao =] i still use the split machine

You should NEVER feel pain while stretching!

I have a feeling you are not sufficiently warmed up before you attempt stetching for splits.

What's happening is once you get your legs stretched out you got your heels planted in place, but the rest of your legs are still trying to widen. And what's the weakest part of the leg from the ankle up?

Your knees and that is why you feel pain

Be sure to warm up with some cardio or some dymanic stretching and work to a full split gradually opening legs further in small increments and breathing with your stretch.... Good Luck!