so what do you think. Tae kwon do vs mma. do you think it can hold up watch this and tell me what you think.
I think that all things being equal, weight, training, conditioning, etc unless the rules forbid it (and excluding a knock out) the fight will go to the ground and if the TKDist is unskilled in ground fighting he stands less of a chance of walking away with a victory. There is a great article in this months Black Belt magazine that says 74% of fight go to the ground, 42% of all fights both combatants go to the ground but 100% of them started as stand up fights. When the fight went to the ground 60% of the time the guy that went to the ground first, lost. Most of us even though we call ourselves TKDists are by definition MMA guys. My ground skills are almost non-existant, everything I study is a striking art that I can weave into my TKD but since I'm pulling my skillset from more than one art...
So IMHO all things being equal if the pure TKDist doesn't knock his opponent out in a match under MMA rules, he loses. According to that article mentioned above about 56% of the time.
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Student of the Zero Chamber Power Kick
This type of MMA environment gfavors the grappler. The softer matt slows down the striker. The cage can be used to limit the striker's movement. So if it is an MMA match the outcome may be in favor of the striker. However, as we have seen with Chuck Liddell , knowing how to defend the takedon and being a striker can work quite well.
Now, if you define "Fight" as involving self defense altercations, some people of note who were bouncers Peyton Quinn and Don Wilson say the most fights going to the ground was BS. Although most ended with one guy on the ground.
Watching that fight was awesome. It just prooves that its not really the fighting style that counts. It's the skill of the fighter him/herself that dictates the match.
Seeing the kicks that I've learned used in an MMA environment just amazed me. I never thought I could use some of my kicks in so many ways.
The way I see it, it all depends on the environment of which style can fair best. If it's in a cage in an MMA type ring with MMA type rules, it is definately going to favour MMA practitioners. Its a padded floor too. So it is a nice environment for grappling. And I agree that if you're a strong standup fighter like most TKD practitioners, we need to know how to defend a takedown and escape from one.
When the fight went to the ground, I thought it'd be a chance for the MMA guy to use the leverage from BJJ but for some reason he never got the chance because firemanxmarine was able to turn things around.
How many times does a street fight ever go on a padded floor? Well, if you're on grass then maybe. Otherwise, I don't think it would because more than half the time in an urban jungle we're on concrete streets and sidewalks.
So just to reiterate my point, it all depends on the environment and the fighter. These two things will dictate how well your self defence or fighting skills will do. Firemanxmarine took an unfavourable environment and used what he knew to stay away from places where he knew his opponent could take advantage.
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Training in the wilderness...
yelp one thing is sure as the sky is blue and the ocean is deep. i had to know mauy Thai and bjj to win this fight. (i had to cross train) i had to learn to cheak (block with my shins) however it took a while to learn in my response time. I also had to know what revgear guy was trying to do. he wanted me to go to the ground. i did not go there because one it takes a lot of power to grapple. lot of strength vs strength. I blocked is arm bar attempt. and stay away form the ground game. not that i cant roll but, knowing that my stand up was working better than then ground game. also im a crowd pleaser, i don't think the ladies want to see to guys on top of each other exchanging sweat. i also won because i listened to my couch/ring man. i also had to know self defense. when he grab me i had to spin out counter. i had to use my distance control. i also had to relax and check my breathing. being a bigger guy thats fighting a younger fitter instructor i need control of my body.. i had to also run game. knowing he wanted to go to the ground i stayed my ground till he came in using my reaction form tae kwon do. i think mma is a good sport but its knowing the game and learning your oppent in the 1st round. i had to learn to pull my kicks back after kicking in the 1st round.
by the way this was suppose to be a exhibition fight (light contact.) my raing man told me after the 1st round that my oppnet's couch( the guy that asked me to fight his ring man) told him to cripple me for life and choke me or tap me out. i wanted to give him some pain but not knock him out.
i did not know i was going to fight till 30 min before the fight. i was tired and dehydrated after swing all day at the pool. also i was out of shape.so it was not like i trained for this last min fight. this was my residual skills.
i agree with the guy the rules pay a key to success.
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TAE KWON DO FOREVER
i train with few pro mma fighters, and while they are far much better shape than me and have much more experience in mma fighting styles, they still have hard time having their ways with me. couple of them had to take few weeks off from training when i started kicking their legs. and even though i kick very lightly (as i compromise speed as well) to the leg, i still manage to put up a fight with other kicks. they learned quickly and learned how to counter against some of my kicks, but for some hard kicks that had a lot of speed, like back spin hook kick, they still can't do much about it, and i still feel fairly confident with kicking high.
i think any martial arts have a chance in mma, as long as those ppl don't get restricted by rules of their own style, and mma fighters will have a better chance at winning if they understand each martial arts they face.
Human beings aren't styles... they're human beings. You were the better adapting human being that day. It's too bad the other guy's corner guy thought it was ok to try to cripple you. I would say that kind of behavior is pretty short-sighted, egotistical, and unacceptable. You showed a great deal of restraint in that fight. Good man, sir.
And, is there such a thing as an ex-marine? Any marine I've come across has been a fairly capable dude regardless of age and situation. Thanks for putting the time in for us. :)
Best of luck to you.
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Pajamas and a Belt
I have served in the fire service as well as the Marines.
Once you've served those callings... you BECOME those callings.:)
As for the TKD vs MMA.
It's not the style...
It's the fighter as an individual.
A 9th degree black belt could get pwn'd in a big hurry, if they met someone with the determination and will to wipe them out.
I've always believed that on any day, anyone, can beat anyone. There are no 'set outcomes' when the punches fly.
I've seen an MMA fighter, get the ever loving crap knocked out of them, by a boxing student with just 6 months of training. All it took, was for that student to react with a flurry of punches that were punctuated by a right cross that would've made Muhammad Ali bow down in the "I'm not worthy!!! You are great!!!" type bowing motion.
It was hilarious to watch. The MMA guy was very good. Moved well, and everything. He wasn't cocky at all.
But, when he came in... the student he was going against, even though that student was awkward... just reacted RIGHT... bap-bap-bap-THUNK-bap-WHAM... and it was LIGHTS OUT.
Simple combination the kid had worked on for months. Nothing super fancy at all...
He didn't think... he actually spazzed, and just reacted the way he'd been trained, and landed every shot right on the money.
So you just can't tell by style or experience. I'd stack my TKD and boxing skills up against any fighter... Not saying I'd win... I could never in a million years, say for sure, I was gonna win a given battle on a given day, and not be talking out of my butt...
But I've got a fighting chance no matter who I face, just as surely as they've got that same chance with me.
Most people who've been in the martial arts for a while will tell you that styles don't matter in a fight. It's the skill of the individual in that moment... nothing else.:)
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Getting through life takes just a LITTLE bit of insanity!*g*
This is a former marine that works with Coach Ruiz and I. Coach Ruiz applied just enough to get a point across while accomodating the no blows to the face, only a minute time limit that he had requested. There is a lot more that went on behind this minute to bring it on. On a good note, he is now taking class with us and learning what he thought he already knew.
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Student of the Zero Chamber Power Kick
