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POSTED BY: DireWolf on 04/10/2008 11:21:09


It seems like watching a Mixed Martial Arts match should teach you something about sparring or self defense... But whenever I watch one of these matches on TV it always ends up having two men laying on the floor while they grapple each other. This seem boring to watch. IMHO....

 

I'm wondering, does ground fighting in MMA result because of the rules? If we have to use TKD to defend ourselves on the street, are we likely to be at a disadvantage since TKD doesn't involve ground fighting?





POSTED BY: TKDragon on 04/10/2008 11:55:32


I think that eventually, if the fight is long enough, most street fights will end up on the ground. If your club doesn't incorporate ground tactics then - yes - I suppose you would end up with some kind of disadvantage.

What makes you believe that TKD doesn't have ground techniques? At my dojung we practice them. We do not get as involved in them as our Hapkido side but we learn how to manupulate the opponent when it goes to the ground.
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POSTED BY: doughboy on 04/10/2008 12:27:20


well, thinking that we have to use what we learned on the street can get you in trouble.  we practice basic techniques over and over, so that we can do it well without thinking too much in whatever the situation may be.  we can still kick and punch while we are on our back and someone's about to jump on you.  also, we can still kick and punch as we are falling.  don't think we have to be on our feet to kick and have to have our fist by our sides to punch.  the way we practice our punch allows us to use quick snap in a short distance, and that can generate a lot of power even if you are punching their head when your hand is on their shoulder.


i watch and do some MMA, and i find my prior knowlegde from TKD helps a lot while grappling.  i train with 3 pros and handful of amateurs, and while those amateurs have more grappling experience than me, i still manage to stay out of trouble while grappling. 

i dont' like watching MMA on tv, but i like watching and observing when the pros go at it at the gym.  i get to walk around them and look at what they are doing from all angles, and, it helps me to assess and understand the situation a lot better. 




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POSTED BY: jaz86 on 04/10/2008 13:59:40


i love watching mma i cant get enough of it. Although i do think the rolling around on the floor is boring, however i did a bit of jujitsu and i tell you that groundwork is not as easy as it looks it was really hard. So i respect that but its not very easy on the eye and i much pefer the standp fighting.
I would love to see a tae kwon do fighter in the UFC would be good to see. I have seen that serkan yilmaz from pride or K1 and he is quality.
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POSTED BY: Paramedic1 on 04/10/2008 16:17:58


I like to watch MMA. I find it relaxing. It seems to be the only TV sport that I can stand sitting through.
I think most street fights end up on the ground if it does end with the first few punches. I practice ground techniques and think there valuable to learn.




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POSTED BY: Jeff23 on 04/10/2008 21:11:14


I think that the ground fighting is about as boring as watching a chess (or go!) match. It can be truly fascinating to watch the strategies and skills emerge and the quick changes in leverage and advantage. But if you don't know much about these things, then it can be the most boring experience ever. Ground fighting is really essential since most fights go there, but you can learn to apply the same principles on your feet on the ground. If you do any sort of locks standing, then you know that their joints don't move that direction no matter what -- even on the ground! If your instructor won't teach you, ask some friends and stuff to go down with you. Just trying things out and working your standing techniques on the ground can be extremely beneficial.
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POSTED BY: KJKastelle on 04/11/2008 19:01:09


Watching is not a usefull as doing.

Many people do not want to practice on the ground.

I am sure your instructor would add it to your class if you asked!

Honestly Martial Artist should know some basic ground fighting skills.

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POSTED BY: MikeD_TKD on 04/11/2008 20:15:07


i learn what not to do




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POSTED BY: Old_Guy on 04/12/2008 09:37:50



TKDragon wrote:
I think that eventually, if the fight is long enough, most street fights will end up on the ground. If your club doesn't incorporate ground tactics then - yes - I suppose you would end up with some kind of disadvantage.

What makes you believe that TKD doesn't have ground techniques? At my dojung we practice them. We do not get as involved in them as our Hapkido side but we learn how to manupulate the opponent when it goes to the ground.

I can't speak for the variety of flavors of TKD that there are out there but WTF traditionally does not have ground techniques or weapons for that matter. Most schools offer some sort of defense training on the ground but it has been imported from the Sabunim's past or background outside of TKD. Personally I'm not looking to arm bar or knee bar anyone where my life may hang in the balance. If I am forced into that situation I want to disarm and disable completely. A recent article in a magazine discussed with masters from various arts on whether or not training in the gym really prepares you for what is going to happen in the street. Across the board with few exceptions the answer was a resounding no. I thought one of the more interesting quotes came from a Karate Master "What can I teach a student that will prepare them for someone hitting them with a brick, or a trashcan, or a teapot because in reality this is what happens". I think almost as important as the training you have is the attitude I am going to commit to a no holds barred act of violence against this person or group of people and I'm not going to stop when they say they've had enough I am not going to stop at all until they cease to be a threat. That is a lot to ask of someone who trains in a civil environment.

BTW back to the original question, I enjoy MMA but find it hard to find a place for it in the TKD arena. I've had more luck with Muay Thai and boxing, it gets hard to beat a boxer's footwork.





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POSTED BY: narcsarge on 04/13/2008 05:23:11


I love watching MMA (UFC, WEC, and Chuck Norris' Fight League).  Though Chuck's Fight league does not have the grappling like the other 2, it is more applicable to WTF Taekwon Do.  Having been "on my back" a few times it does make me contemplate some of the situations I found myself in.  I am constantly looking for different ideas and techniques that I can use "if" I ever wind up in a situation where ground fighting is necessary.  I would love to have the opportunity to train more from the ground under a real Master though.  Just to get some basic idea of what to do when things go wrong.  




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