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| POSTED BY: tkdq on 04/07/2008 08:04:19 |
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There are a couple of students who come along to my club, who are roughly 13 years old.
During class, my instructor left us stood in chunbi while he gave instructions to a lower rank to take some yellow belts through their pattern, whilst he was doing so the two 13year olds stood playing with their hair and chewing nails, having a good old chat to each other with complete disregard for where they were and who they were with.
I got annoyed at the lack of respect they were displaying (after all, some children age 7 years managed to stand quietly) so I turned and said 'You should all be in stood in chunbi quietly' aimed my eyeballs at the two teens, I got a look of disgust off one, the other laughed to themsleves.
I feel that I should have a talk with them next time they are in to ask what they intend on getting out of class and TKD altogether. Should I do that or should I leave it up to my instructor who doesn't seem to be taking it in hand at all. The thing is if the younger ones start to get swayed by the teens-it will be too late to try and restore the tenets of TKD in our class.
What would you do?
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Nothing like a Rodney Dangerfield moment to put a damper on one's day.  Thirteen year olds are more likely to do that sort of nonsense than seven year olds; the seven year olds still want to please while the thirteen year olds are starting to push the boundaries. If they are of lower rank than you, then they should defer to you as a higher ranking student (and an adult). If they are of higher rank than you, then they need to show leadership and behave according to the rank which they have been awarded. A reminder to them that they're not in kindergarten is most certainly in order. If they have to spar with you in class, a sound drubbing within the bounds of taste is certainly in order; you take the class seriously and if they don't then a sound drubbing in class is far milder than they'll receive in real life if they don't develope the skills to back up whatever colour belt they're wearing. Sounds to me like the instructor needs to give them the gift of strength..... through pushups!  Daniel
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| POSTED BY: tkdq on 04/07/2008 08:20:46 |
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Should have mentioned-one of them a yellow belt one is green belt, I am black tag (and twenty years older!!  )
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It seems to me that respect has been a very popular issue all around me lately! I don't think you are out of line in any way in talking to the girls about their lack of respect. Not only are they showing your instructor a lack of respect, but also all of the other student in the class.
I do understand your frusrtation and think that it is something that we all encounter from time to time. Hopefully, they will get the point after a conversation with them about their behavior! Good luck to you.
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I definitly think you did the right thing by addressing them while the instructor was involved w/ other students. I wouldn't hurt to mention to the instructor that you did not mean to assume the role of instructor but that you felt they needed correction. Let your instructor decide how to proceed. From now, I am willing to bet that just a glance from you will have an effect. Not sure it will curtail their "youthful exuberrance" but at least they will know you are watching. 
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tkdq wrote:
Should have mentioned-one of them a yellow belt one is green belt, I am black tag (and twenty years older!! )
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Black tag makes you either first gueb or bodan (depending upon your belt system) if I'm not mistaken. Our head instructor told my son that since he's a kumdo blackbelt in our school, he can make them do pushups if they get out of line. Don't know what dynamic your dojang has, but blackbelts and near blackbelts are to be respected and of course, the master is to be respected greatly. Daniel
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| POSTED BY: DireWolf on 04/07/2008 11:15:35 |
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I think you did the right thing telling the two teenagers to behave themselves. They're at that age where they're becoming their own person and testing their boundaries.
In order for there to be discipline and respect in the school I believe two things have to exist.
1. the instructor must expect proper respect & courtesy be demonstrated in class. not only to the instructor(s) but to the advanced belts.
2. the other instructors and advanced belts have to set the example and occasionally "remind" junior students that the instructors have earned the respect of all students.
When an advanced belt reminds a junior belt that the instructor has earned their respect and should be treated properly--such as sir/ma'am, listening, standing quietly in chumbi etc.--it carries more weight than if the instructor says "I'm the instructor and you should respect me."
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| POSTED BY: Danni on 04/07/2008 12:28:19 |
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in our school we leave it up to the higher belts to set a good example for the younger ones and they're pretty good about telling them to stand good or be quiet. If it becomes a problem then the instructors and assistant instructors will step in. so i think that what you did was in line. i agree they could use some pushups. generally all of our black belts are allowed to hand out pushups if someone isn't doing what they should, so you could talk to your instructor about that. our instructor tells the kids that if they get pushups they don't think they deserve they can talk to him, and he'll double the amount since they questioned the black belt.
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| POSTED BY: Old_Guy on 04/07/2008 14:52:57 |
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If you are aware and it is regular behavior of these two, they'll catch the eye of the instructor if they haven't already. In GM Kim's class they'd before forced to kneel on both knees with their hands and arms straight up in the air or out in front of them while others carried on with class. Master Song would take a plastic ballbat across the small of their backs while they were in the kneeling position, Master Suan it was pushups or 100 jumping jacks. You have mentioned it once to them if it continues mention it to the instructor that their behavior is disturbiing your class time. It is your class time you paid for it. Anything that is a disruption needs to be brought to the attention of the person providing the service. Other options; mention it to their parents. break Junbi position, walk to them and tell them to knock it off. This will get the attention of your instructor as well and let them know that if it is attention that they are wanting, here you go. If your instructor lets you handle the situation try squat jumps from one end of the gym to the othr two or three times while they shout Tae Kwon Do Jong Shin. Unfortunately a lot of schools actually need every student they can get because it is a business and they may force them to tolerate slight drops in dicipline or behavioral lapses. I remember Master Suan reducing students to tears by telling them that if they couldn't keep their mouths shut that they were not welcome in the gym any longer and then walk them to the door. Of course when there is a six month waiting list to get into class you have those options.
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Was that hands up and chin down, or the other way around?
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| POSTED BY: IcemanSK on 04/07/2008 15:40:58 |
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Old_Guy wrote:
If you are aware and it is regular behavior of these two, they'll catch the eye of the instructor if they haven't already. In GM Kim's class they'd before forced to kneel on both knees with their hands and arms straight up in the air or out in front of them while others carried on with class. Master Song would take a plastic ballbat across the small of their backs while they were in the kneeling position, Master Suan it was pushups or 100 jumping jacks. You have mentioned it once to them if it continues mention it to the instructor that their behavior is disturbiing your class time. It is your class time you paid for it. Anything that is a disruption needs to be brought to the attention of the person providing the service. Other options; mention it to their parents. break Junbi position, walk to them and tell them to knock it off. This will get the attention of your instructor as well and let them know that if it is attention that they are wanting, here you go. If your instructor lets you handle the situation try squat jumps from one end of the gym to the othr two or three times while they shout Tae Kwon Do Jong Shin. Unfortunately a lot of schools actually need every student they can get because it is a business and they may force them to tolerate slight drops in dicipline or behavioral lapses. I remember Master Suan reducing students to tears by telling them that if they couldn't keep their mouths shut that they were not welcome in the gym any longer and then walk them to the door. Of course when there is a six month waiting list to get into class you have those options.
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Ah to be able to do that in the States |
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