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POSTED BY: kickin_yellow on 04/06/2008 08:25:09


cuase i know that a lot of guys say that you dont have to learn how to do a split or stretchthat much because you wont have to use stretching that much or splits in sparing ..lol so what you think> 




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POSTED BY: Jeff23 on 04/06/2008 10:12:21


I think that working towards them is just as important as learning forms. It helps cultivate perseverance. You can work on them for 5-10 minutes after a workout to gather your thoughts and reflect on what went well and what went poorly during the training. So what if it isn't applicable in sparring? Also, by being more flexible you are less likely to get injured.
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POSTED BY: narcsarge on 04/06/2008 11:10:43


Jeff23 says it very well.  I have never been able to do a full side/box split and, at my very best, I was 1" off the ground in Front to Back split.  Even so, I can kick a 6'4" opponent in the head.  Working towards a full split is a wonderful way to push yourself and reduce injuries.


It can't hurt if you do more stretching at home provided you warm up first.




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POSTED BY: doughboy on 04/06/2008 11:58:46


it's all about maximizing your potential.  if you can kick your head height, then kicking your chest height wouldn't be all that difficult.  but if you can only kick up to your chest height, you have to kick as high as you can in order to kick your chest height during sparring. 
consider weight lifting and strength.  if you can lift 100 lb, then you wouldn't require as much effort to lift 50 lb, while if all you can lift is 50 lb, you will have to put in all you got to lift 50 lb. 
being able to kick your head height and only using chest height kicks during sparring isn't same as kicking your chest height because that's as high as you can kick. 




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POSTED BY: TGILLETTE53 on 04/07/2008 05:46:17


I have problems with doing splits.  I do half-splits and stretch the legs as much as possible (the knee and lower back are stubborn).  I warm up the hip muscles by bringing the knee up as much as possible for 10 reps in front and 10 reps to the side.  I also hold the knee up to help stretch these muscles for 30 seconds to a minute each side.  That has helped.




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POSTED BY: DireWolf on 04/10/2008 11:31:09


It's a lot easier to maintain flexability than it is to get it back. If you're already flexable, keep at it. Narcsarge makes a good point--stretching reduces the chance of injury.
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POSTED BY: Yokixx on 04/28/2008 19:45:49


Stretching is very important not just for flexibility but also preventing injuries. 

It is also better to have more tools, so if you are limited in kicking to the body because of flexibility issues, you are limited.  So maximizing your ability is always the key.  Flexibility is very important in my opinion.




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POSTED BY: ranger1100ky on 04/29/2008 03:44:55


Splits aren't important in and of themselves.

What you want, in any kind of athletic training, is a balance between flexibility training, endurance training, strength training and so on.

Each time we kick... we're lifting 9 to 10% of our body weight (Approximately).

We use a LOT of muscles to do that. 

Take a look at the individual who can do something incredible in kicking... my favorite example is a man named Mr. Jee Ho Lee.  (Probably a Master now or even a Grand Master for all I know.  I lost track of him.)

When I was a kid, he was a 5th degree in the ATA.  During demonstrations, he would do 'slow motion forms'.  Every movement, in ultra slow motion, demonstrating his total control of his body, and letting students REALLY see good body mechanics at work.

He would do a spinning heel kick, in slow motion, bringing his leg up, and across the imaginary target in the form, all the way through and down, little by little, and I mean it was 'perfect'.  Rock solid balance all the way through... he'd manipulate himself through the spinning motion using his base foot, his body was erect, his guard was up.. it was fantastic.

The reason he could do that, wasn't JUST flexibility.  It was the fact that he developed all those little muscles that helped him throw kicks full speed, and at low speed.  He'd put his foot up, as easily as most of us take a coffee cup out of the cupboard.

You need lots of core stability... that's the abs, obliques, the back muscles...  and you need to get your abductors and adductors built up in strength, and so on.

I'm still working on mine and I've got a long way yet to go...

If you have all that strength built up in all those right muscles, PLUS you work patiently and wisely on your flexibility... you can achieve great increases in your kicking capabilities, your balance, and most importantly, your body mechanics that will prevent injuries.

But you've got to hit the task from all fronts.  You need range of motion, yes, but you also need to strengthen those muscles, and make sure you're moving your body in ways that won't tear it up.

Think of it this way... your body is not going to let you stretch those legs any wider, than your other muscles are strong enough to move them to.  It's a fail-safe mechanism to keep you from tearing yourself up...  (that's the stretch reflex).

So to stretch those legs wider, you have to build the right muscles up strengthwise, and at the same time you also need to stretch patiently.

And, to do all that, to have a HOPE of doing all that in a way that doesn't hurt you...

You've got to warm up properly during that development... AND you need to use good body mechanics, moving your body only the way nature designed it.





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POSTED BY: Wiseman1 on 12/17/2008 14:49:28



kickin_yellow wrote:
cuase i know that a lot of guys say that you dont have to learn how to do a split or stretchthat much because you wont have to use stretching that much or splits in sparing ..lol so what you think> 

Unless you are fighting a 8' guy don't concern your self with that, but be flexible!





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POSTED BY: Highkicker on 12/21/2008 21:29:21


 

 

I love the splits, the granddaddy stretch for all superkickers. An while you don't need to be this flexible to be a good kicker......IT SURE HELPS!!! After a full stretching routine for me (with lots of splits), simple basic sparring kicks like round/side/front kicks reach a whole new level of precision and power...





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