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Self-defense
Posted On 08/13/2008 08:12:50 by Baby_Huey

One of the common things I hear/read about people who are interested in MA is that they want to join an art that will help them defend themselves.  Ok, I can understand that, what is the point of learning how to kick, block and punch if you can't use it to protect your life or someone else in danger. But of my years learning about fighting (yes I say fighting because my dad taught how to fight to defend myself) there is one thing I do know, it's about making through the fight, maybe not winning but being able to walk away.

When people ask me if TKD is good for self-defense, I can't give them a straight answer because of my diverse back ground.  Yes it is good at my school because we don't base just on the TKD art itself to base counter attacks (I'm not saying that everyone else's is better or worse then mine, I just can't speak on anyone else's school because I've never seen them). 

During a self-defense drills, the instructors do warn students that trying to do a cross body lock or bear hug may not be the best stragety unless they are willing to go onto the floor because I do use throws. I've never been told that I can't do them and have been encourge to demonstrate them during the advance classes at times.

Last night we did the four corner, a drill that has a person in the middle and four people line up on the sides, front and back.  The middle person looks torwards the front(usually the instructor or assistant) and prepares for attacks.  A new black belt came in for a body lock and I just caught in an under/over hook (where two people are chest to chest and on one side and over hook on arm and under hook on the the other) and hip tossed which may have shocked him, he didn't get hurt but he was expecting a palm strick or kick.  But I've also used knees similar to what the do in Mauy Tai.  If someone is going to attack I'm going to do anything and everything to get away, it's not a glory trip like some people want to believe. I had that ego once but learned my lesson thanks to one judge.  

I find it interesting  as BJJ and other MMA style arts are the hot flavor(not that there is nothing bad but it seems to be the popular arts now) how people want to know how to fight on the ground.  My dad always said going to the ground is a death wish, being a wrestler I never thought that until one fight I got mule kicked with steel-toe boots.  A master teaching a self-defense seminar I attended asked how many people say the proper mounting postion/guard postion during a bar fight. No one could raise their hands.

I do have a tendecy to take people down to the ground but I either try to slam them hard enough that they don't get up or create a scramble position were I can try and get away from the person. Most people who are not use to be thrown get disoriented in the air and have trouble regaining them once they land, a natural vertigo.   

To me self-defense should be a natural thing, with proper training any movements should come natural to block or counter-attack a person.  People try to get too fancy with technique and end up in more comperising positions putting them in more danger then before.  A tornado kick may not be pratical in a steet fight (it does look cool) but a neither is chest to chest suplex.  

When I think about self-defense I always remember Indiana Jones, where the swordsman puts on an impressive display of technique and Harrison Ford pulls out a gun and shoots him.  No self-defense will make you bullet proof. 



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From: Baby_Huey
08/14/2008 12:11:32


Simon_Booth wrote:
The only thing I'd say is remember that the other people in the 4 corners are training too, so perhaps it would be wise to do some basic safety stuff like making sure they know how to fall; or even better given how common some martial arts are nowadays, how to recover from one!

You do have a vaild point with safety.  Most of the belts lower then me are told not to get into holds with me, usually only the assistant instructor, a black belt or my normal training partner will do it. We do some fall training and in the advance class my instructor has had me teach shoulder rolls.  In class if I do a throw, it is more instinct then anything else but I do catch them before the slam hard.  I've been told that my throws have softer landing then the normal step sparing. 



From: Simon_Booth
08/14/2008 11:47:24
Some good points there; even bruce lee said 'Where there are Guns, Run'.

The only thing I'd say is remember that the other people in the 4 corners are training too, so perhaps it would be wise to do some basic safety stuff like making sure they know how to fall; or even better given how common some martial arts are nowadays, how to recover from one!



From: Old_Guy
08/14/2008 01:23:40
Complete Krav Maga

http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Krav-Maga-Self-Defense-Techniques/dp/1569755736

On sale this month at Amazon for $15 

Thats a deal!


From: doughboy
08/13/2008 21:12:33
same with me when i take someone down.  even if i'm just falling with them, i would give extra push to make sure that fall does some damage to them - gives me an opportunity to sneak in couple punches or get back up on my feet. 

when i teach self-defense, i try to tailor each techniques to each individual (while keeping the basic idea of the technique).  we have ppl as big as 6'6" 250 lb and as little as 5' 100 lb, and i would pair them up and see how to make changes so that it would work for the small person against a big person.  whenever i try a new self defense (e.g., things i saw from other styles or on tv, etc), i try it over and over to see if i can get away from that technique (i.e., is it effective most of the times, or is it only effective if the other person "attacks right").  for myself, if i was the one learning a new technique, i would throw out whatever doesn't work for me (i'm 5'6", and have shorter arms and legs compared to those other 5'6" ppl - i almost never throw elbows standing up because can't really hit anything unless we are on the ground and i'm on top). 

one thing to keep in mind with self defense is to keep the basic principle but adjust it so that it can work for each individual against ppl with different sizes. 


From: Baby_Huey
08/13/2008 16:10:26
I've heard alot of people talk about Krav Maga in other forums OG.  What's the title of the book you are reading? I completely agree with responses change with training.  Before TKD I never would have thrown a kick but now it's part of natural response along with a palm strike to the sternium. 


From: Old_Guy
08/13/2008 15:02:46
My wife gave me a Krav Maga training guide for my birthday and I've read through some of it and the impressive thing about it so far is that contrary to the other SD training I've had where they cookie cut responses to situations, it stresses that your training should be based on YOUR natural response.  Now as we train and learn those natural responses may change.  All of the kicking that we do, evade or block, new weapons (knees and elbows) etc help to mold whats natural.  When I started doing Muay Thai, Coach Ruiz trained me fight left handed now it's a natural thing (even preferred) for me.  I wish there was a school here teaching Krav Maga even 6 months of study would be huge.  As far as BJJ, the Army is teaching that as part of their combatives course and for the life of me I can't figure out why.  I keep envisioning some pvt jumping guard on an enemy combatant trying to kill him.  


From: Baby_Huey
08/13/2008 09:28:03


narcsarge wrote:
Nice read Baby_Huey and interesting at the same time.

Thank you sir. 



From: narcsarge
08/13/2008 09:18:27
Nice read Baby_Huey and interesting at the same time.  Though I have no Judo, Jujitsu, or BJJ specific training I have had competent ground training.  I too, because I was COP, learned to get off the ground as if it were a hot skillet.  I can take people there now because I don't carry a weapon but have this ingrained training that tells me "get up".

I totally agree that Self Defense training should be simple and effective.  I could care less where an SD technique comes from be it BJJ, Krav Maga, or "well I do this..." as long as it works.  My philosophy for SD is that a technique has to work for the student each and every time. 




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